ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

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ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby Sparrowhawk » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:23 am

I'm not sure if this is pure coincidence, but the layout of the Atari ST Basic (Metacomco) looks remarkably like the layout of a BBQL in monitor mode:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST_BASIC

Anyone know if this is pure chance or whether Metacomco used their experience on the QL to model their environment?


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Re: ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby stephen_usher » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:00 pm

It's a pity that the BASIC itself is so basic and if they did learn anything then it wasn't how to write a good language.


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Re: ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby Derek_Stewart » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:54 pm

Hi,

When I used to use an Atari ST, I would use GFAor HiSoft Basic, these are nmuch better development platforms.

However fitting an Extended 4 QL Emulator board, made the Atari much more interesting to use.


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Re: ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby tcat » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:53 am

Hi,

Just paying a visit after a while.

ST BASIC was not a bad prog in my opinion, it introduced a novelty of windowing, 4 distinct windows, list, edit, output and command.

Was not of the fastests, that is for sure, but featured builtin debugger, with trace capability!

It did not catch on, lack of programmes written in, no code share facility or regular coverage in mags.

It had easy VDI/AES/TOS and assembly interfacing.
E.G. this clears complete workstation, so screen looks like GFA run window.

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10 poke contrl, 3: REM Clear Workstation opcode #3
20 poke contrl+2, 0
30 poke contrl+6, 0
40 vdisys(1)


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Re: ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby stephen_usher » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:26 pm

I think the biggest problem was that although it was supplied with the machine there wasn't a paper manual to support it.


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Re: ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby tcat » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:51 pm

Yes, indeed. Remember my 1st ST 520 machine, had just owner's manual + quick basic manual, listing keywords only.
There was no Logo manual either, these had to be bought from ATARI corp. separately.


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Re: ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby stephen_usher » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:22 pm

I got my 520STM in mid-1988 and I didn't get any BASIC manual, just the green and white one with the very basic how to plug it in and use GEM.


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Re: ST Basic - inspired by QDOS?

Postby NormanDunbar » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:26 pm

As far as I'm concerned, Sinclair manuals, from the zx81 at least, were extremely good. Lots of information, including the system variables etc. Brilliant.

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