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The M-ICE mouse and Pointer environment?
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:35 pm
by stephen_usher
I know it's unlikely but can the Pointer Environment use the mouse connected to the Eidersoft M-ice dongle?
It would be dead handy if it did, given that's what I have.
Re: The M-ICE mouse and Pointer environment?
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:06 pm
by Derek_Stewart
Hi,
The (M)ICE system pre-dates the pointer interface, I think, QRAM was just starting to appear when ICE was available.
To get ICE to work in the Extended Environment and use the Thing system. A new PTR_GEN would be needed.
I did start to disassemble the MICE Rom code, but did not get too far with it.
Re: The M-ICE mouse and Pointer environment?
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:00 pm
by stephen_usher
Yes, (M)ICE first appeared in 85 according to the copyright and was the first WIMP interface. I seem to remember the other systems turned up some years later.
The interface is very rudumentary. There's no scrolling and no double-clicking, merely using different buttons. There are no windows as such either. Other than ARTice, I can't remember anything using the system and it's little more than a file manager otherwise.
Re: The M-ICE mouse and Pointer environment?
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:52 am
by RWAP
stephen_usher wrote: Other than ARTice, I can't remember anything using the system and it's little more than a file manager otherwise.
There were a few programs released - all Eidersoft titles - see:
https://qlwiki.qlforum.co.uk/doku.php?id=qlwiki:ice
Re: The M-ICE mouse and Pointer environment?
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:51 pm
by RalfR
I think, the thread starter does not want to hear that, he just want to know, if it is possible, to use ptr_gen with mice. So don't mess this thread with unused informations.
Re: The M-ICE mouse and Pointer environment?
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:13 pm
by mk79
stephen_usher wrote:I know it's unlikely but can the Pointer Environment use the mouse connected to the Eidersoft M-ice dongle?
It's certainly possible to write a PE driver for it, but I don't think anybody ever did that.
Re: The M-ICE mouse and Pointer environment?
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:40 pm
by RalfR
mk79 wrote:stephen_usher wrote:I know it's unlikely but can the Pointer Environment use the mouse connected to the Eidersoft M-ice dongle?
It's certainly possible to write a PE driver for it, but I don't think anybody ever did that.
That was, I asked Marcel a long time ago. Use the PE mouse to use SER things (which other mouse programmers think to use) in QPC. E.g. the Smiling Mouse (very good for ProPub) or the ICE things.
I even think, an SERmouse thing should be possible in QPC (although Marcel told me to use use an old serial mouse in conjunction with Albin Hesslers's SERmouse "Try it on your own peril
" ) . Even to use this with QL.Paint.
Does someone know, how the the Smiling Mouse works? Any interrupts, which can be changed to the ones from PE?