QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
Under US law there is a firm distinction. This is a library, and libraries are treated strictly separately under copyright law. You would not be sharing within the UK, and I would not be publishing any non-free works.
That said, if it's a huge problem for you to send me the archive, isn't it an equally impossible situation for you to possess the archive yourself? Unless you have ever single microdrive and floppy stored with it, you're in the same position you don't want to put others in. That would be something to be unhappy about. It defeats the purpose of you even running the preservation project. If your stated goal was preservation, and your current stated goal is to hand off the preservation responsibilities to someone else, but you won't transfer the body of work..... What did you do it all for?
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Nobody is going to sue you. Nobody. There is not enough economic value in either game rights or intellectual property in ANY QL software or firmware that is valuable enough to protect with an expensive lawsuit. Enforcement action would be of the cease and desist variety. There isn't an ethical lawyer on the planet who would advise a client to sue. They would send a cease and desist, and the recipient would say, "oh, sorry, we'll stop" and that would be the end of it.
That said, if it's a huge problem for you to send me the archive, isn't it an equally impossible situation for you to possess the archive yourself? Unless you have ever single microdrive and floppy stored with it, you're in the same position you don't want to put others in. That would be something to be unhappy about. It defeats the purpose of you even running the preservation project. If your stated goal was preservation, and your current stated goal is to hand off the preservation responsibilities to someone else, but you won't transfer the body of work..... What did you do it all for?
Finally...
Nobody is going to sue you. Nobody. There is not enough economic value in either game rights or intellectual property in ANY QL software or firmware that is valuable enough to protect with an expensive lawsuit. Enforcement action would be of the cease and desist variety. There isn't an ethical lawyer on the planet who would advise a client to sue. They would send a cease and desist, and the recipient would say, "oh, sorry, we'll stop" and that would be the end of it.
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
I still have all of the physical media microdrive carts, disks, manuals etc - hence why I was asking for suggestions.Dave wrote:That said, if it's a huge problem for you to send me the archive, isn't it an equally impossible situation for you to possess the archive yourself? Unless you have ever single microdrive and floppy stored with it, you're in the same position you don't want to put others in. That would be something to be unhappy about. It defeats the purpose of you even running the preservation project. If your stated goal was preservation, and your current stated goal is to hand off the preservation responsibilities to someone else, but you won't transfer the body of work..... What did you do it all for?
My preferred option would be for Quanta to take it on, but getting a response out of them nowadays is problematic (as you have found when renewing subscriptions).
As for "What did I do it all for?" It was my personal project - I wanted to create my own collection of QL software and ensure I could continue to use it into the future. It only morphed into a "preservation project" when I started contacting copyright holders to get permission for titles to be re-released - with the idea that more people might get interested, contribute to the project by tracking down copyright holders and getting their permission; and then working on ensuring the latest version was available which would run from within emulators etc and upload it to Dilwyn's site.
The problem was that as soon as I mentioned turning it into a preservation project - I (and my business) got attacked for not simply sharing the whole lot and only two or three people were willing to do anything about trying to get permissions. Hence, why the project has sat in abeyance for the past few years.
I am more than happy to hand over the rather large amount of material and the electronic files to someone but I do need to recoup some of my costs in amassing all of this material (some of which I have owned since 1986). Carriage would also be an issue because there is probably 100-150 KG in weight, once you take into account all of the manuals etc.
Splitting the collection in this way is also problematic; because someone needs to spend many many hours scanning in the manuals and documentation - without which, most QL software will not be readily useable.
Under International copyright law - it is not just a case of being sued. It is a criminal offence to breach copyright - with fines and imprisonment. That is why web-hosting companies are also concerned about anyone uploading software onto websites because the hosting company has equal liability. That is why Kim Dotcom ended up in so much trouble.Nobody is going to sue you. Nobody. There is not enough economic value in either game rights or intellectual property in ANY QL software or firmware that is valuable enough to protect with an expensive lawsuit. Enforcement action would be of the cease and desist variety. There isn't an ethical lawyer on the planet who would advise a client to sue. They would send a cease and desist, and the recipient would say, "oh, sorry, we'll stop" and that would be the end of it.
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
I had a few attacks like that myself when my business failed. "You've really let everyone down!" No dude. I saved my home. I saved my marriage. What's more important to you? Yeah, some people are all about 'what have you done for me lately' - the QL community was always smaller and with a different character to other retro computer communities - even the ones you'd think would be closest, like the Spectrum.RWAP wrote:The problem was that as soon as I mentioned turning it into a preservation project - I (and my business) got attacked for not simply sharing the whole lot and only two or three people were willing to do anything about trying to get permissions. Hence, why the project has sat in abeyance for the past few years.
Yes. You shouldn't be out of pocket. That said, I have two words for you. "Tax write-off."RWAP wrote:I am more than happy to hand over the rather large amount of material and the electronic files to someone but I do need to recoup some of my costs in amassing all of this material (some of which I have owned since 1986). Carriage would also be an issue because there is probably 100-150 KG in weight, once you take into account all of the manuals etc.
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Yes, this is true. But it's not an apples for apples comparison. They did no vetting. They took no effort to make sure the content of their site was distributable. The US federal government was after him for his bitcoin washing operation to conceal the identities of drug dealers. And they used copyright law to bring him down (illegally, as it so happens) in the same way they got that 30s mobster for tax evasion during prohibition. And since then, they have been ordered to give it all back.RWAP wrote:Under International copyright law - it is not just a case of being sued. It is a criminal offence to breach copyright - with fines and imprisonment. That is why web-hosting companies are also concerned about anyone uploading software onto websites because the hosting company has equal liability. That is why Kim Dotcom ended up in so much trouble.
You're not the existing focus of a US fed investigation are you?
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Only problem is that most of the stuff was bought from personal funds and is not owned by my business - in any event, a tax write-off only gives me back 20% of what I spent on it - who knows what that was over the past 30 years or so....Dave wrote: Yes. You shouldn't be out of pocket. That said, I have two words for you. "Tax write-off."
Alas I am not wealthy and therefore can't afford to just donate the stuff.
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
I have been pulling together a list of everything I have. I am about half-way through but have already filled a very large box (probably over 25KG in weight due to all of the manuals).
Quite a lot of it is manuals without the disks or microdrive cartridges - see attached list - that is 179 titles to start with.
If anyone has more details about the status of the titles, or the authors, I can add that to the list and it should help others to build up the QL Wiki some more.
Quite a lot of it is manuals without the disks or microdrive cartridges - see attached list - that is 179 titles to start with.
If anyone has more details about the status of the titles, or the authors, I can add that to the list and it should help others to build up the QL Wiki some more.
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
Hi Rich,
DJToolkit and WinBack, by me, have been freeware with source code, for sime years now.
Plus, they are already on the Wiki.
Cheers,
Norm.
DJToolkit and WinBack, by me, have been freeware with source code, for sime years now.
Plus, they are already on the Wiki.
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
Thanks - I will update my list - I can't be expected to know the status of all of those titles - there are probably lots of errors in that list.NormanDunbar wrote:Hi Rich,
DJToolkit and WinBack, by me, have been freeware with source code, for sime years now.
Plus, they are already on the Wiki.![]()
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
No worries Rich, I was just letting you know, as requested.
Anything you have with my name on it is to be considered freeware/open source/do-as-you-like-ware. Plus all my new stuff will be likewise.
I take advantage of the goodwill of others when I need to, so I give back when I can.
Please consider this posting to be explicit permission, to anyone, to follow the "rules" above. My stuff is free.
Cheers,
Norm.
Anything you have with my name on it is to be considered freeware/open source/do-as-you-like-ware. Plus all my new stuff will be likewise.
I take advantage of the goodwill of others when I need to, so I give back when I can.
Please consider this posting to be explicit permission, to anyone, to follow the "rules" above. My stuff is free.
Cheers,
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
I have found a bit more time to pull together the majority of my QL software collection (currently running at 263 items).
The current list is attached - some of those may of course be freeware and I missed it.
There is about 50-60KG in weight with all of the manuals etc. (and I still have a fair amount of material to go through).
The problem is what to do with it.
Ideally I would like to see a fundraiser of some kind with a target of £1500 for everything and I would then send it to the Retro Computer Museum for them to store (as they do not seem to have a lot of QL material).
It would then free me from the worry over what to do with it all.
Is that realistic?
The current list is attached - some of those may of course be freeware and I missed it.
There is about 50-60KG in weight with all of the manuals etc. (and I still have a fair amount of material to go through).
The problem is what to do with it.
Ideally I would like to see a fundraiser of some kind with a target of £1500 for everything and I would then send it to the Retro Computer Museum for them to store (as they do not seem to have a lot of QL material).
It would then free me from the worry over what to do with it all.
Is that realistic?
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Re: QL Software Preservation - Next Steps
I am assuming nothing actually happened beyond this point (as far as us the community is concerned)?RWAP wrote:I have found a bit more time to pull together the majority of my QL software collection (currently running at 263 items).
The current list is attached - some of those may of course be freeware and I missed it.
There is about 50-60KG in weight with all of the manuals etc. (and I still have a fair amount of material to go through).
The problem is what to do with it.
Ideally I would like to see a fundraiser of some kind with a target of £1500 for everything and I would then send it to the Retro Computer Museum for them to store (as they do not seem to have a lot of QL material).
It would then free me from the worry over what to do with it all.
Is that realistic?