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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby tcat » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:43 pm

Hi Rich,

Just thinking over the subject of this discussion.

In theory what size hosting for QL Wiki would require?

Just in case it might be mirrored/backedup, as some free domains are limited only to some size, proper approach would be, to register national or commercial domain, but again that is subject to some fee with annual renewal probably.

I also think that QL Wiki carries results of updating software titles annotations, with their status by contacting relevant copyright holders.

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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby RWAP » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:07 pm

tcat wrote:Hi Rich,

Just thinking over the subject of this discussion.

In theory what size hosting for QL Wiki would require?

Just in case it might be mirrored/backedup, as some free domains are limited only to some size, proper approach would be, to register national or commercial domain, but again that is subject to some fee with annual renewal probably.

I also think that QL Wiki carries results of updating software titles annotations, with their status by contacting relevant copyright holders.

Tomas


I can only comment on the size of the QL Wiki as it stands - it needs a lot more information, pictures, inlays etc and could be extended to include downloads of software which is now available, rather than just pointing to the Sinclair QL Homepage.

The SQL database is quite large (no idea of size though) and ideally needs 3 connections to the same database to share traffic.

The files currently use up around 90MB

You could not easily mirror or back it up automatically at the moment, because of how it is inter-connected into my existing server. It needs to be moved onto a server of its own, together with a proper domain name, and all links updated accordingly (including to the various image files as the images are not currently within the QL Wiki sub-directory on my server).

This could be automated to some extent within the SQL database, but there are a lot of external links which would need to be caught and re-directed.


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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby NormanDunbar » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:41 pm

Rich,

What is the underlying Wiki software that you are using for the QLWIKI?

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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby RWAP » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:14 pm

NormanDunbar wrote:Rich,

What is the underlying Wiki software that you are using for the QLWIKI?


It uses WiClear - http://wiclear.free.fr/ - as that seemed a nice easy, low impact tool at the time.

Unfortunately, the project stalled in 2007 - I have just done some maintenance updates to the code for my site.


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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby tcat » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:30 pm

Hi,

Just searching `Debian' repository, I found this package.

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Package: mediawiki
Version: 1:1.19.20+dfsg-0+deb7u3
Installed-Size: 67256
Maintainer: Mediawiki Maintenance Team <pkg-mediawiki-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
Architecture: all
...
Depends: apache2 | httpd, php5, php5-mysql | php5-pgsql | php5-sqlite | php5-mysqlnd, mime-support, libjs-jquery, libjs-jquery-tipsy, libjs-jquery-cookie, libjs-jquery-form, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0
...
Description-en: website engine for collaborative work
 MediaWiki is a wiki engine (a program for creating a collaboratively
 edited website). It is designed to handle heavy websites containing
 library-like document collections, and supports user uploads of
 images/sounds, multilingual content, TOC autogeneration, ISBN links,
 etc.
 .
 Moreover, it keeps track of changes, so users can receive
 notifications, view diffs and revert edits. This system has many
 other features and can easily be extended.
Homepage: http://www.mediawiki.org/

EDIT
ATARI-WIKI uses this engine, please see
http://www.atari-wiki.com

Can we possibly use this package for QL Wiki?

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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby RWAP » Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:17 pm

Whoever takes on the QL Wiki can change it to any other wiki format - however, you have to remember that you will need to write some code to update all of the current HTML, links and code for images etc, in the database to fit in with the new format - even if you were to just copy and paste every page, that would be a massive amount of work.

tcat - looks like you have earned yourself a job then :)


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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby NormanDunbar » Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:20 pm

Thanks Rich.

I had a relatively quick look at the Web page, it looks nice but as you point out, no development since around 2007. Plus only one developer. Still he's done a damned good job.

Is there any chance of getting a mysQL (see what I did there?) Dump of the database please - to see if I can do something with it. If not, that's fine - at the moment I'm just thinking out loud a bit, to see if I can contribute.

My own wiki is only ever updated by George Gwilt and myself, but it is based on DokuWiki which uses plain text files,stored on the file system rather than in a database, so it's easy to maintain etc.

Pandoc (pandoc.org) is one of my favourite tools at the moment for converting from various input languages to numerous output ones, and includes a few wiki formats, both in an out, so it could be useful, maybe! Time might tell.

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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby RWAP » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:21 am

A dump of the SQL database is attached
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custsql-ipw06.eigbox.net.sql.zip
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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby tcat » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:07 am

Hi Rich,

As usual I will try to see I can do anything useful, with my very poor web skills, that will serve me probably just about right.
I may need to be lent a hand time to time from advanced people here at the forum.

While I toy with `wikimedia' installation first, it might be useful to look for some domain names, can we possibly run a suitable name contest?

Do we have some academics at the forum here, that could qualify for .edu .org domains within universities campus ITs?

Tom


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Re: The Future of the QL Wiki

Postby NormanDunbar » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:16 am

Many thanks Rich. I'll see what I can do with the wiki dump.


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